20 Responses to “Goering knew…”

1. adi000
   June 22nd, 2009 at 17:55

   

   Now that’s f***ing scary.

   Mostly because it’s true.

2. g
   June 22nd, 2009 at 18:24

   

   go go U.S.A?

3. Harley
   June 22nd, 2009 at 19:33

   

   Looks like George W. DID study history after all.

4. Roger
   June 22nd, 2009 at 21:13

   

   Actually, considering Obama is continuing every single policy of Bush for which Obama himself attacked Bush, looks like Obama is the Hermann of our time.

5. bigcheese
   June 23rd, 2009 at 00:21

   

   Harley, we were attacked you ignorant asscork

6. Anonymous
   June 23rd, 2009 at 01:57

   

   I agree. We were attacked.. Bush did far more to secure this country than his predecessor Clinton did. Radical Islam blew up a ship here a bombed a consulate there and all Clinton did was lob a few scud missiles over there. Perhaps if he’d taken more drastic measures, there would have never had been a 9/11..

   Obama is killing this country by spending her to death… watch as the US dollar loses 50% of its worth…. Oil will be $300 a barrel.. and bread will be 10$ a loaf!

   But hey! It’ll help the real-estate market

7. wtf
   June 23rd, 2009 at 06:11

   

   hey bigcheeseball, the germans were attacked too, in the same exact manner in which the US was. go read up on the reichstag fire when you get a chance.

   and hey anonymous, great handle! i love the irony thing! also, you’re a moron. bush did NOTHING to secure america. all he did was strip away civil liberties while inciting anti-US hatred worldwide, therefore making america LESS safe and LESS secure. not that any of that safety or security shit matters anyway, because those things are always illusory, but i know that whole “OMG, terrorists, protect us, help us, SAVE US!!!!” safety/security thing is a big issue for you pants-pissing rightwing cowards, so i thought i’d point out that your boy was an abject failure at that (just like he was with everything else).

8. jake the MF snake
   June 23rd, 2009 at 09:24

   

   This does not only apply for amerika, in the Netherlands we got a dude named Geert Wilders…

9. Rick
   June 23rd, 2009 at 12:17

   

   The man did less damage that George Bush and they wanted to hang him.

10. Earl
    June 23rd, 2009 at 15:47

    

    The Reichstag fire by most accounts was set deliberately and blammed on the Communists to whip up emotion. Goering was 100% correct but that doesnt make him any less of a monster. There were no communists on the planes on 9/11.
    Clinton bears much responsibility for the events of 9/11 due to his pansy responses to the previous attacks as does the CIA who was asleep at the wheel. I support the Bush response in Afghanistan. The Taliban were harboring Al Queda and needed to be taken out, plain and simple. I have a major problem w/ the war in Iraq. There never was WMD, just a lot of oil to be secured.
    Take a good hard look at Iran, North Korea, or Myanmar right now and compare those cesspools to the USA or Europe and then make your choice. Germany under Hitler and Goering was as bad if not worse. Any one who says different is just trying to sell something that any farm boy knows is still called bullshit. And please dont give me the civil liberties are gone crap. You can stand on any streetcorner in the world and shout all day long that Obama is an asshole and no one will even look twice at you. Try that stunt in North Korea about Kim Jong Il and you’ll never see the light of day again. The NSA, CIA and the FBI and any other alphabet soup organization can listen to my boring ass phone calls and read my lame emails all day long and know that I check out the hotties w/ big tits on ATTU for all I care as long as it keeps a stolen nuke in a cargo container from going off in one of the ports. Pray to God that Pakistan doesn’t dissolve cause then the shit will really hit the fan. By the way the biggest monster of the 20th century was Stalin by a long shot and he doesn’t get much press coverage in the west. Made Hitler and his idiot buddies look like choir boys.

11. wtf
    June 24th, 2009 at 10:29

    

    “The Reichstag fire by most accounts was set deliberately and blammed[sic] on the Communists to whip up emotion.”

    right. like i said, EXACTLY like 9/11. well, except you have to sub “terrorists” for “communists.”

    and how the fuck does clinton doesn’t bear responsibility for 9/11? the people who DID it bear the responsibility. clinton was out of power and couldn’t have done jack shit to prevent it.

    as for the CIA being responsible— you can say that again. except i don’t think you understand how right you are, and exactly how “responsible” they really were for the attacks.

    “I support the Bush response in Afghanistan.”

    well then i guess you must like natural gas, opium, and the looting of the US treasury, because those are the ONLY reasons we’re over there. the people we were supposedly after were in pakistan, not afghanistan. and since bin laden was a CIA asset right up until his death in 2002, we were never really after him at all— he worked for us all along. the afghanistan invasion is just as big a pile of evil bullshit as the iraq invasion. our military is there to secure the area for a) a natural gas pipeline and b) the bush crime family’s opium operation, as well as to create a justification for funneling hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars into the hands of the military industrial complex elites (as is the case with the iraq war). those are the only reasons we’re over there, period.

    “I have a major problem w/ the war in Iraq. There never was WMD, just a lot of oil to be secured.”

    you’re right there, except i don’t think the oil was really as big a part of it as people think. the main reason bush started that war (and the other one as well) is the same reason all wars are started— MONEY. specifically, your money, my money, all americans’ money. as the great general smedley butler said, “war is a racket.” and that’s all it is.

    in fact, i encourage everyone to google “smedley butler” and the title “war is a racket,” and to read his entire essay, as well as the story of how mega-rich corporate elites tried to depose FDR and take over the US government in order to impose a fascist dictatorship back in the 1930s. they tried to enlist butler as their hitler-style populist leader, but since he was a true patriot, he told them to fuck off and turned them in. fascinating story, and one you NEVER learn about in school.

    “And please dont give me the civil liberties are gone crap.”

    i didn’t say they were GONE. i said bush stripped away civil liberties (and i didn’t say ALL of them, although he would have loved to dispense with the entire constitution if he could have gotten away with it), and he did. for example, bush and his compliant repugnantcan-controlled congress successfully stripped away the right of habeas corpus, a core legal principle for the last 900 years. and yeah, the SCOTUS eventually restored it, but that doesn’t change the fact that bush took it away from us. and that’s HABEAS FUCKING CORPUS i’m talking about. we’d had that since the magna carta, and ALL our other freedoms are based on it. without that, we had pretty much nothing. it’s not an exaggeration to say that while that right was gone, we were literally living under a dictatorship.

    and yeah, go stand on a corner all day long and yell that obama is an asshole. see how long you get away with it. i GUARANTEE you the cops WILL show up, and thanks to bush’s patriot act, they have plenty of power to make your life hell, and you can’t do shit about it. seriously, go ahead and try it, and after you get out of jail, come back here and let us all know how it works out.

    and after that you can go to an airport and say the word “bomb.” then go ahead and scream about free speech and the 1st amendment while the air marshals and security guards are beating the shit out of you. see what good it does you. bush KILLED the bill of rights, pal. you pretending he didn’t won’t make a difference in how much the billy-clubs and tasers hurt, or in how miserable you’ll feel locked up in a cage for saying a forbidden word.

    “The NSA, CIA and the FBI and any other alphabet soup organization can listen to my boring ass phone calls and read my lame emails all day long…”

    that’s nice that YOU don’t care about YOUR privacy, but not everyone else is so willing to give up their liberties. just because you’re a fool doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

    “…as long as it keeps a stolen nuke in a cargo container from going off in one of the ports.”

    and THERE you go, the typical rightwing pants-pissing coward bullshit justification for giving up our rights. it’s true what they say, that fear makes people into idiots. and yes, it takes a true fucking IDIOT to think the way you do— just ask the guys who founded our country, and they’ll tell you all about it. ever hear of a guy named benjamin franklin?

    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    deserve neither, and will end up with neither. and that’s a fact.

    let me explain something to you, you fucking pinhead: security is an ILLUSION. you CAN’T have it, because it does NOT exist. LIBERTY, on the other hand, is very real. that’s why our founding fathers fought and died to get it and preserve it. they didn’t give two shits about “security,” because they knew that there’s no such thing, ESPECIALLY if you don’t have liberty. when you give in to fear and let a government take away your freedom in exchange for promises of security, you are giving up the only thing of value you really have and getting a fucking fairy tale in return.

    and just because YOU are a simpering coward, hiding under your bed in fear of “terrorists,”doesn’t mean the rest of are. i have ancestors who fought in the revolutionary war, pal. they put their lives on the line to win freedom for themselves and their descendants. and i fucking WANT mine, goddammit. i’m not willing to trade it away in order to feel “safe.” i’m not a pussy like you. i’d rather be FREE.

    “Pray to God that Pakistan doesn’t dissolve cause then the shit will really hit the fan.”

    you go right ahead and pray to your imaginary god for imaginary safety from imaginary threats. i’ll pass. yeah, pakistan has nukes, but so what? so do a lot of countries. and what makes you think pakistan is going to “dissolve” anyway? that’s ludicrous. if it was going to dissolve it would have done so when their president got blown to bits.

    “By the way the biggest monster of the 20th century was Stalin by a long shot and he doesn’t get much press coverage in the west.”

    huh??? stalin doesn’t get coverage? maybe not under the fucking rock you obviously live under, but i think stalin’s legacy of evil is pretty well covered. i used to teach high school, and you can’t crack a fucking world history book without reading ALL about his purges. we had rightwing cowards like you screeching at the tops of their lungs about the USSR for its entire existence, and you’re gonna act like stalin has been ignored?? yeah, hitler gets more ink, but we actually fought a WAR against HIM. what do you do, just make shit up and then assert it as fact?

    oh wait, you’re a wingnut… of COURSE that’s what you do…

12. wtf
    June 24th, 2009 at 10:33

    

    holy shit, i think that’s my longest ever..! take THAT, MrBitch! LOL!

    and man, i wish we could edit after posting, since apparently i’m unable to type (at 1:30am) without garbling a few sentences here and there…

13. Yaikz!
    June 24th, 2009 at 13:12

    

    @ wtf: if you subscribe you get a nice red name, and you can edit your comments

14. Earl
    June 24th, 2009 at 16:32

    

    @WTF,
    Your insults towards me as follows: “you’re a fool”, “true fucking IDIOT”, “you fucking pinhead”, “YOU are a simpering coward”, “a pussy like you”, “rightwing cowards”, “you’re a wingnut”, “take THAT, MrBitch”

    Quite a strong opinion of someone you’ve never met and dont know. You know nothing about me and what I stand for yet you hurl attacks at me like Goebbels in a propaganda speech. Is that how you talked to your high school students you “taught”????
    It truly reveals a lot about your character and intellect. You are certainly well read and knowledgable. You reference things I haven’t heard of yet. But your anger is burning you up.
    I feel true compasion for one who sits up till 1:30 am full of piss and vinegar, ranting at the posts of someone who laughs at the comedy that is life. As the Dali Lama has taught me “practice compassion to all” so I extend compassion to you. May you find true peace in this world and extend it to others.

15. wtf
    June 24th, 2009 at 22:05

    

    earl, “MrBitch” was not directed at you, but rather at “MrB,” a whiny contrarian asshole who comments here. he takes the wrong side of every issue and complains about the length of my comments (i guess reading is difficult for him, and apparently he’s too fucking dumb to just NOT READ my comments if he doesn’t like them).

    as for the rest of those insults— yep! those are all for you!

    and why? well, despite the “nice, reasonable good guy” tone you’ve affected in your most recent comment (and it is just that: an affectation), you have already revealed yourself to be completely contemptible. you, by your own admission, support an unjustified, evil, imperialistic war of aggression that has killed and maimed thousands of innocent civilians, including children (and yet you’re supposedly a follower of the dalai lama (whose title you can’t even spell correctly)..? how do you reconcile that with your expression of support for war?? is that the way you “practice compassion for all”..?? by smugly announcing your support for the murder and dismemberment of women and children??).

    you also seem to have no problem with the erosion of our civil liberties, even denying that they’re under attack (that may be a disingenuous lie, or it may just be a result of your ignorance; but ignorance, while not as bad as downright lying, is still plenty contemptible). worst of all, you’ve bought into the bullshit fear-mongering and are willing to give away your (and my) liberty in order to feel safe and protected from all the big scary bad brown people who terrify you. that makes you both a coward and an idiot. and maybe i’m just silly, but i have ZERO respect for cowards OR idiots, and i feel nothing but complete and total contempt for anyone who, like you, is apparently both.

    so you can say i know nothing about you, but i read your comment, slick. you support war, you don’t mind the theft of our civil liberties (denying that they’ve been stolen at all), and you justify your position with typical wingnut “omg i’m scared of terrorists!!” bedwetting. so you keep asserting that i know nothing about you, but i know MORE than enough to see you for what you are, your professed devotion to tibetan buddhism notwithstanding.

    and no, i didn’t cuss at my students, but i didn’t accept bullshit reasoning from them either, and i held them to high standards, and they loved me for it. when i left my old job, many of my kids cried to see me go, and a bunch of them started a petition to try to get me to stay. so don’t you trouble your little mind about how i comported myself as a teacher. i did just fine.

    and hey yaikz!— people with accounts get to edit their comments?? i did not know that… OK, you win. you’ve convinced me…

16. wtf
    June 24th, 2009 at 22:16

    

    there. i’ve officially become an attuworld.com minion and my name is now red.

    but why red? shouldn’t it be orange? i thought you guys were dutch, not chinese!

17. wtf
    June 24th, 2009 at 22:17

    

    ha! it didn’t work! my name’s not red, and i can’t edit jack shit! you LIED to me yaikz! you LIED to me!

    i’ll never trust a dutchman again!

18. Earl
    June 25th, 2009 at 02:22

    

    @WTF
    My spelling sucks, I’ll admit and I’m not perfect, Ya got me there, but I do know that you have way too much anger. And I do practice compasion. Practice is the operative word here. Practice, Practice, Practice. If I was perfect I would have Nirvana. So I have a long way to go. I admit my failings and shortcomings and for that I am better. Do you admit yours????
    And yes I did support the removal of the Taliban from Afghanistan and the chasing of Al Queda back into the mountains of Pakistan. I do not condone war, I abhor it. I just dont think we should sit still while Al Queda goes about it’s merry way in Afghanistan or Pakistan or where ever they set up shop hell bent to kill Americans at any opportunity. Do we just sit back and wait for the next strike???? What is the answer. You are very quick to criticize but I dont see any grand plans put forth. You seem to know for sure that Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll and therefore the CIA was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Have you gone before Congress w/ your proof or better yet the NY Times (a very liberal publication) and published all you know???
    A WMD attack on the US is simply the next level in this battle of ideologies. If Al Queda or another group could source the material they will use it. Plain and simple. What will you say then about security and liberty???? What price are you willing to pay to sleep at night??? Did you loose friends in the Towers as I did??? Did you see the towers burning as I did??? Do you have a plan as to what we do next as the WMD are being spread by regimes that embrace what the Fat Reich’s Marshall above believed and practiced. There are evil, nasty, men and women in the world. Life is suffering. We just dont have to sit still and allow it to repeatedly attack us. Please share with us your grand plans and stop the name calling and hateful words. Practice compassion. Perhaps that is my plan towards Al Queda and all who seek to destroy us. I somehow doubt they will practice compassion back to us.

19. wtf
    June 25th, 2009 at 08:59

    

    OK earl, last reply— if you want to continue this discussion further you’ll have to track down my email address (maybe yaikz! will give it to you if you ask him nicely).

    al-qaeda = CIA. the entire organization is a CIA operation. always has been from its inception. they are not now nor have they ever been “at war” with the US government. they WORK FOR the US government.

    of course, there are radical islamists who would like to kill americans, but the way to battle that phenomenon is not to bomb the shit out of innocent islamic civilians and make them hate us EVEN MORE. the way to keep radical islamists from wanting to kill americans is to stop doing the things that MAKE them hate us, not do those things MORE. make sense?

    the anti-US sentiment would quickly disappear if we simply stopped bombing and killing arabs and then simultaneously stopped giving israel money and weapons and using our UN veto power to protect them from sanctions for their multiple crimes against humanity. the reason we are despised in the arab world is because of our sick one-sided relationship with the soulless and sinister nation of israel. if we were to shit that parasite out of our bowels, and then stop killing arabs and stealing their land and resources, we would eliminate the main impetus behind islamic terrorism. it’s our imperialistic crimes against the arab world, and our enabling of israel’s even worse crimes against them, that have made islamic peoples hate us. it’s that simple. and we sure as shit can’t fucking BOMB them to make them STOP hating us. seriously, how can you not see that???

    also, the 9/11 attacks were not carried out by a bunch of shepherds in caves in pakistan. the very notion of that is retarded. the WTC buildings were clearly demolished with pre-planted charges. watch the videos. look at the evidence (what’s left of it, after the bush administration quickly swept up all the rubble and deep-sixed it while shipping all the steel off to china as fast as they could). if you’ve bought the “official investigation” bullshit version of events, then there’s probably no point in even talking to you, because you’re most likely hopeless. still, if you really did lose friends in the towers, then you owe it to them to find out who really killed them. do the research. there’s plenty of info online, all over the place. google “steven e. jones, PhD” and see what he has to say (you’ll LOVE his middle name).

    and why should i testify to congress? they don’t want to hear what i think. plenty of other people have tried to tell them the truth, and they’ve all been ignored or marginalized as “conspiracy theorists” or “kooks.” and what if congress DID listen? what would they do? even if they said “yeah, you’re right, the buildings WERE clearly brought down by thermate charges, damn! what a shock!” what would happen then? do you know that in the 70s, congress officially declared the JFK assassination to be the result of a conspiracy? that they determined that oswald did NOT act alone, and that there was at least one other shooter? because they did. funny thing though… NOTHING ever came of it. i never even saw any reference to it in any of the high school history books i looked in when i was a teacher, and i looked in many dozens. all i saw was “oswald acted alone.” even though congress investigated and determined that he did NOT, and that there WAS a conspiracy.

    so what if congress WERE to investigate 9/11 the way it should have been investigated when it happened? and what if they DID find evidence of thermate (which has already been found and confirmed by scientists)? and what if they DID find that bush’s brother marvin, who was a partner in the company handling security for the WTC (AND for united airlines AND for dulles international airport), had used his position to allow CIA operatives to plant charges in the weeks before the attacks? do you think marvin would get in trouble for that? bush himself stole two elections, started two wars which have killed a million human beings, tortured hundreds of people, illegally wiretapped americans in violation of FISA, and gave his gay porn star butt-buddy security clearance so he’d have access to the white house, and he never got in any trouble. his dad ran a CIA child prostitution ring out the white house in the 80s, built up a cocaine and heroin empire using the US military as muscle and the coast guard as couriers for his shipments, and was THERE in dealey plaza when JFK was murdered (there’s a photograph proving it) and was most likely the CIA spook in charge of the whole assassination operation, and he’s never gotten in trouble either. HIS dad, prescott bush, was hitler’s banker here in the US, WHILE we were at war with him (an act of treason), AND was one of the ultra-rich elitist bastards i talked about upthread who tried to take over the government in a fascist coup in the 1930s (another act of treason), and he never got in any trouble either. the fact is, the bush crime family does whatever it wants, and never faces any consequences, because they’re super rich, super powerful, and super connected. they run the fucking country, even when it appears they’re out of power. seems to me a group of people like that would have a LOT easier time setting up something like 9/11 than a bunch of cave-dwelling herdsmen on the other side of the earth. but fuck it. keep on buying the official lie, gomer. it’s up to you what you want to believe. hell, you can even go ahead and believe that it’s somehow MY fault because i haven’t “gone before Congress” to tell them about it (how does that work, btw? do i just call up pelosi and reid to make an appt and then the house and senate both stop whatever they’re doing in order to give me their full attention?).

    and for the record, i don’t need to pay ANY price to sleep at night. like i said before, i’m not a coward like you and all other rightwingers. i’m not afraid of terrorists. at all. because i know they’re not a threat to me. i don’t buy into the bullshit fear-mongering that tries to convince me i’m in danger so that i’ll willingly give up my liberty to a power-hungry and corrupt government. i see through that shit (partly because i read the above göring quote a LONG time ago). those kinds of lies only work on conservative pants-pissers.

    and speaking of you spineless wingnuts— what has happened to america? in just over 200 yrs we’ve gone from “live free or die!” to your “If Al Queda or another group could source the material they will use it. Plain and simple. What will you say then about security and liberty???? What price are you willing to pay to sleep at night???” fear-babble. shit man, talk about devolution… really sad. america, where did your balls go??

    oh, and btw… the NYT, a “very liberal publication”..? maybe in wingnut fantasy land! liberal? yeah man… that must be why they sat on the FISA-telecom scandal for a WHOLE YEAR in order to keep from hurting bush’s chance at re-election. how very “liberal” of them. get a fucking clue; all our media outlets are owned by giant corporations (now more so than ever, thanks to bush), and giant corporations are by their very nature far, far to the right politically. the whole “liberal media” myth is just another steaming pile of wingnut reality-detachment bullshit. how utterly unsurprising that you’d try to serve up a slimy helping of it.

    and another thing— why don’t you quit crying about my”hateful words” already? this is the goddamn internet, man. if you can’t handle cussing and insults, then go join a fucking church group and have your discussions with them. otherwise shut up. i already told you, don’t expect any respect from me after you’ve gone on record supporting an obscene imperialistic war of aggression and revealing that you choose which policies to support based on fear.

    and like i said, if you have anything else to say, email it. i don’t feel like filling up attu’s server with any more of this shit.

20. MrB
    June 25th, 2009 at 12:09

    

    The color red totally suits you wtf.

    Attu – can you get a polka dot color thing going for wtf? may as well try to match the look of his name to all of the zits on his ass.